Holy rabid and drooling interweb fanbase Batman! "The Dark Knight!" Dark Knight, Dark Knight! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes, the Christopher Nolan directed follow-up to "Batman Begins" is pretty great, it's going to shatter all records, it's giving geeks full-on erections, it's compelling fanboys to rape and bludgeon dissenting critics and their families and it's the greatest thing since God himself invented the Earth, the universe and all good things. Yes! We fucking get it. But 'Dark Knight' is not completely flawless. In the face of all the annoying dorks slobbering over this film, we present 10 things about the Batman film that could use some fixin'. If somehow in Christ you haven't already seen this film six times already, don't read this until you've seen it.
1. Harvey Dent's "Two Face" make-up. There's a reason why super hero movies are usually never that realistic: they have to follow the tropes of the comic book and while they're fine in that fantasy little world, on screen they can look more than a little ridiculous. While Two-Face's make-up job isn't silly per se, it's not exactly realistic either. It doesn't take you exactly out of the picture, but there's a reason why the Corleone family and this film shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath (suggestions otherwise are amateur hour, frankly). As one reader aptly puts it, Two Face's burnt face "breaks the fourth wall of believability." Also, let's face it, Aaron Eckhart kind of loses it and hams it up when he becomes the scarred villain too (though he is solid in the beginning).
2. Christopher Nolan can't direct action for shit. Ok, he's improving, we'll give him that. Nothing could be as dull as the Batmobile car chase in "Batman Begins," but he's no Paul Greengrass, and while it's admirable that he likes to shoot his own action sequences in super dark and clipped sequences (ala Bourne), there are reasons a second unit was invented.
3. IMAX is too much. Only 4 our 5 scenes in Batman (the action sequences) were shot in IMAX, so for aspect-ratio fetishists, that's watching things stretched and blown-out (a purist no-no). Even then, the film is grueling and punishing enough as it is and at 2 1/2 hours, so the IMAX is like a cockpunch to your eyeballs and brain functions. Look what it did to poor Variety scribe Anne Thompson, she had to have herself a lie down afterwards she was so confused.
4. Expository dialogue. Do the bank robbers at the beginning of the film really need to say about the guy who organized the heist, "He calls himself 'The Joker'." Really? C'mon, couldn't that have come up somehow or someone could have called him, "quite the Joker" and the name stuck? It's definitely a small quibble for sure, but it's those types of things that take you out of the zone for a second and remind you this isn't real.
5. False advertising. It's a PG-13 film, but it's kind of psychologically brutalizing. As the New Yorker's David Denby says, "When Ledger wields a knife, he is thoroughly terrifying...do not, despite the PG-13 rating, bring the children." They blow up a hospital? Hello, are you heathens Timothy McVeigh? Batman fucking bitchslaps the Joker for christsakes!
6. Christian Bale's Batman voice. Was it just us or was it the Dark Knight growl and scowl more annoying and more unbelievable this time?
7. Cillian Murphy's cameo. Damn, that was a whole lot of nothing. Hope the dude got paid well.
7.5. The Latin American Mayor of Gotham wears eye shadow? Dear actor Nestor Carbonell, is this some weird method thing we're not quite grasping? Is this supposed to set the stage for his effeminate villain ways in the next film? Is he in an emo band?
8. The dangling chads in the script. Ok, so Batman jumps out a window to save Maggie Gyllenhaal, hey, pretty heroic! He saves her, whew, rad. And what happens to the Joker and his cronies and all those innocent people trapped upstairs at the Harvey Dent fundraiser? Hey, we don't know cause the director cuts to the next scene! Uhh, hello?
9. That annoying score by Hans Zimmer and that other dude. We lied, we can't think of 10 legit reasons. Aside from the tenebrous taut score being awesome in of itself, there's this excellent, buzzing, droning quality to it like an airplane about to crash that's incredibly minimalist, atonal and way out-there for a mainstream film. Steven Reich and Stockhausen would be proud.
10. Heath Ledger's acting. Lick your face much, buddy? Did he just finish eating potato chips? Just kidding!
7/18/2008
Dude, Not Cool! 10 Things About 'The Dark Knight' That Aren't So Great
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"Nothing could be as dull as the Batmobile car chase in "Batman Begins,""
..i take that as a JOKE! I advise you to IMPLY THAT IT'S A JOKE!
the one thing i noticed was that harvey dent's voice or pronunciation didn't change after half of his lips were burnt the fuck off. i guess a villain with a speech impediment doesn't work too well, but try talking with only half your mouth...
i'll add a few:
1. Act 3 (or is that act4 - after the joker escapes), gets real long in the tooth and the excellant pacing from acts 1 and 2 takes a wicked nose dive. Not quite as bad as the Indy4 waterfall scene, but uneven at best.
2. Several scenes in the 3rd act have the droning soundtrack that literally yanked me right out of the film. I like droning soundtracks, I just don't like soundtracks that have no idea what's going on in the scene. Example: scene where Harvey has Gordon's kid and is threatening to kill him. Zimmer took a piss break for this scene and left the keyboard on automatic.
3. The sonar crap. whoa.
4. Two-Face's um burnt face breaks the fourth wall of believability.
Counterpoint. a few things that were stellar:
1. the art-direction and design. The Gotham of Batman Begins was horrible. like a holdover from the Joel Schumacher days, cheesy. all those beiges and browns. "The Narrows" was a joke, it looked like that city flyover from the old school HBO bumper. TDK was cool and classy. Gotham was exactly what it needed to be, minimal and the tones, blues, greys, whites and blacks, but never muddy. Much better.
2. overall story arc. I can see why people compare it to certain 70s crime family opuses. It has one helluva story arc. very ambitious. I gotta call it. best story line for a comic book film yet.
3. I considered Iron Man the best comic book film yet, until TDK came through. I now have a new favorite.
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bonus comment: Spout Blog's post about Batman no having any more viable villains? come on. The Joker was an archetype for Anarchy. Distill the villain down to an archetype and how that plays off Batman and run with it. The Penguin? screw the origin story, cut out the corniness and find out what archetype he represents. hard but not impossible. The biggest hurdle is keeping it based in reality and not like false physics comic book-y. Joker, perfectly fine. Two-Face, not so reality-based. TDK's Joker is so "real" it's scary.
Corduroy, nice work!
The two problems that I had with the movie itself was Tiny Lister as the tough and ruthless thug on the boat. That took me out of the movie and I had to laugh, because he is not a good actor and I know that. Also, the first lines of Dent talking about his coin made me cringe, but I don't share the negativity about Eckhart that you do. And I agree the car chase in Begins was kind of boring.
worst line of TDK not in the trailer
Morgan Freeman: "you want to be able to turn your head."
best line of TDK not in the trailer
Heath Ledger: "I'm going to make this pencil dissapear"
I dunno...some of the grievances were things I liked...like the Batman voice, which adds to Bruce Wayne's alter-ego. Unlike Superman, who puts on goddamn glasses and can thus disappear into a crowd. I also liked the brief return of the Scarecrow...it reveals how petty he really is in comparison to the Joker. And it settles that loose end from the previous film.
Also, I liked the action scenes, and thought they were effectively shot, theatrical without being stagey. But it seems that point comes down more to preference than anything else. There's some real masterful camerawork, like the tilt on the Joker when he's captured. Really symoblizes Nolan's entire body of work: cinema of duality, the constant blurring of good and evil and one's perception of it.
But I agree with the critique of the "hanging chads"--what the hell happened to the Joker there? I guess he left, but it seems that he'd off the entire crowd should he not get what he wanted. Along with that, the Gotham mayor was far too young...it'd be far more effective, I think, if it was some ragged old man, a symbol of the previous generation of decadent, decaying people who stood watch over a decadent and decaying city.
Cord has some good thoughts too, though I liked the first's art design (it captured initial decay well), but this one surpasses it thoroughly. And Two-Face is a critical villain for Batman; he's Bruce Wayne run amuck. Dent's still fighting for justice and "truth," but it's jaded and removed from the idealism that made him the white knight to begin with. That's why that last scene is so heartbreaking. The three virtual friends, almost crime-fighting brothers, are torn apart by the Joker. Batman was never the idealist crusader, Dent fell from grace, and now Gordon is the only one who could even approach that status. It's now an unhealthy and flawed trifecta fighting for justice in 3 uniquely separate ways. Imagine the insanity Two-Face can inflict in future installments if he thinks that cops, mobsters, and the Bat are all part of the same opposing team. Goes along perfectly with the blurring of good and evil throughout the new films (and Nolan's films).
Easily, the best discussion that's ever happened on The Playlist. Why can't this happen all the time? Some great thoughts in this thread.
I don't see the point of this post. At all.
I saw this last night and I was totally blown away. The action-directing gripe was fair last time around but the sequences here -- when he flips the truck over?! -- were absurdly great.
I'm so used to Nestor Carbonell on Lost, I think that is how he looks all of the time.
"The hero that gotham deserves" is the most transparent line in TDK. Gotham is a city of darkness and duality. A hero as superman or spiderman with a just heart, no billion dollar trust fund, limited means, mild ego, and no sense of entitlement would be wholly in a society as gotham's, as Harvey Dent was. Gotham deserves a cynical, smug, hero with his own dark motivations hidden behind a nocturnal mask. In a town that labeled Mr. Dent, their "White Night" only the Batman, can suffer their sins.
You're nitpicking on a masterpiece. This film is great, and Nolan is one of the best director's in hollywood. Who would you rather have making Batman films Nolan? Or Brett Ratner, Michael Bay, Steven Sommers or some other hack retread? Remember how bad the Batman films in the 90's were?
This film is best picture material, period. Other director's have made great comic book movies, but Nolan has made the first that can go head to head with any other film for an Oscar. And Heath Ledger's performance will be talked about for many, many years to come.
And the action? What about when Batman flips the truck, with the tow cable? Remind you of anything? A little homage to The Empire Strikes Back, when they take the At-At down. This film is great on so many different levels. I would much rather watch Nolan's action sequences, than Paul Greengrass jumpy camera work. The Bourne films are good but vastly over rated. Casino Royale was better than all three Bourne films, and so is TDK, and Batman Begins.
Your review seems like its negative, for negativity's sake. If you have such a problem with Nolan, why don't you just go to the bargan bin at Walmart, and get the Burton, and Schumacher versions and watch them, instead of Nolan's two vastly superior Batman films.
Overrated much? This movie was so lame. I was bored 30 minutes in. Every time Batman spoke I started to laugh uncontrollably. Awful movie. And to tell you the truth...I think Heath sucked. It's a shame that this character "killed" him. Shit, Joseph Gordon-Levitt could have done that role and lived.
By the way Playlist, great post. I have a feeling not many people are gonna have the balls to talk about this film in a negative light. Pussies!
was it just me or did this film endorse warrant-less wiretapping to catch terrorists
I agree with most of that but just so you know, Nestor Carbonell actually wasnt wearing eyeliner, he just has very thick dark eyelashes, he looks the same in all his apperences.
Umm...I doubt the Playlist is trying to shit on TDK for no random reason, nor do they necessarily hate the movie. If you actually have read the actual review/the opening of this article, they comment that they actually enjoy the film quite a bit, even if isn't a "masterpiece." Did you even get the sarcasm in #10 of this list?
It pisses me off when people start shouting that you can't point out criticisms, albeit small ones, on an otherwise fantastic film. Even great films have problems. I was never big on Peter Gabriel's score for "The Last Temptation of Christ" but I still think the film's a masterpiece. Does that mean I have to thoroughly suck it's dick? Hell no. There's no PERFECT movie, only near perfect. Perfect would imply that everyone everywhere at all moments of the day could sit down and watch it from beginning to end with no problems. Not the case with everyone. Perfect is subjective. You can however, achieve near-perfect. This is merely a healthy conversation dissecting the film into the small bits that some didn't care for, while still appreciating the whole. So people need to lay off The Playlist for "hating" or "applauding" ideas misconstrued as relentess negativity. Just because their sarcastic about it doesn't mean it's a vile attack. There's nothing really ballsy about it; it's simple POV observations and a goddamn writing style.
Finally, if the film is so supportive of wiretapping, why does Lucius Fox condemn it and blow the freaking thing up?
I saw it in IMAX and was still underwhelmed. Though I chalk it up to be taken out of it by casting Batmanuel as the Mayor.
Now that's inspired casting.
Did Lucious Fox blow that thing up? Bruce Wayne said (paraphrase) "when you are finished, enter your name" He knew fox would do that, (enter his name), so that command was the code to keep fox on staff. No wiretapping sonar device on hand and Fox does not have to voluntarily resign. Bruce gave him the self destruct password, and it was Mr. Foxes namesake. Fox realized that when he saw that his signal of or resignation (entering his name) was actually a command to destroy the apparatus. That is why he smiled.
OMG, it's all so true!
I would also add, that Nolan mentions 9/11 visually more often that Giuliani did in the debates.
I would be interested in some comments about, what I consider to be, the atrocious screenplay. I worked very hard at not laughing at the dialogue at the end of the movie with The Batman running off into the darkness so as not to ruin it for others.
Also, scenes I thought were ridiculous:
1) at the beginning of the movie, the scene in the courtroom with the malfunctioning gun (and the associated dialogue)
2) the convict on the boat throwing the key overboard - obvious and lame
3) the explosion in the hospital - when did the joker (or anyone for that matter) find the time to set the explosives up without anyone noticing. I only mention this because the Joker harps on about not having a plan... and yet his nasty deeds seem to have been planned mightily.
And yes, Batman's voice was ridiculous and it took me a few scenes to get into it and stop giggling whenever he started talking.
Ultimately, while I thoroughly enjoyed MANY aspects of this film, it did not work as a whole for me in that it wanted to supplant a very comic book story into a very real world universe. These two worlds were butting heads throughout the entire film.
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